the_sun_is_up: A Stormtrooper making pelvic thrust motions. (star wars - unf unf unf)
Remember my post of rage about TV Tropes cutting a bunch of pages like Naughty Tentacles and Lolita? Well now you can view a handy list of the pages that got nuked in the latest purge.

It seems that this purge, like the one a couple of years back that exiled Fetish Fuel, was prompted by the ad people cutting off funding and demanding that the site delete certain things. This time around it's porn and pedophilia that's on the chopping block. And actually, I don't have much of a problem with this; porn is so simplistic that it's pretty boring to catalogue tropes about anyway, and while I object on principle to censoring the pedophilic stuff, I can't really get too worked up about creepfests like Kodomo No Jikan getting the boot. Some things just aren't worth starting a fight over. And I do get some enjoyment from the idea of all those creepy TV Tropes KnJ apologists getting smacked with the banhammer.

Fortunately, Lolita was reinstated, although I was pretty disgusted to see how many people in the cut-list thread were like "Well if it means getting rid of all that pedo filth, then I don't mind if Lolita goes down in the process." What the fuck? Lolita is a) a piece of classic literature and b) a book that's all about how terrible and deplorable child molestation is. What the fuck is wrong with you. Fate Stay Night was also reinstated, as was... Black Bird? Huh? Yeah, it was pretty funny to read the conversation between the rather dictatorial owner of TV Tropes and the confused Black Bird readers trying to convince him that, no really, just because it has one brief sex scene involving a teenage girl that doesn't mean it's aimed at male pedos. Really. I mean, I think Black Bird is revolting and horrible, but that doesn't mean it should be censored, especially not on the basis of pedophilia, unless there's something about it I don't know.

Unfortunately, Naughty Tentacles is still in the Schrodinger's cat box. *worries* And I hope Caligula gets a reprieve because I know from watching the Cinema Snob that it has more than enough substance and plot beyond the porn to be trope-worthy. Plus its hilariously troubled production and disjointed finished product are fun to document.

I'm also getting some amusement out of reading the reasons listed for the deletions. Most of them just say something simple like "porn" or "hentai," but something called "Vase De Noces" was explained with "This is known as the Pig Fucking Movie. 'nuff said." And A Serbian Film was simply explained with "EXTERMINATE." Ha, I love how A Serbian Film has become the new internet standard for brain-scarring awfulness.

Anyway, TV Tropes = not actually failing as much as was previously thought. So far.

Edit: Also, thanks to the Black Bird thread, I found this list of the top selling English translations of manga series in 2011. Black Bird was #6. Higher than FMA. Higher than Soul Eater. Higher than Ouran. If you'll excuse me, I need to go weep for the fate of humanity.
the_sun_is_up: Yahtzee's speech bubble has been censored by a black bar that has the text "horrible things" written on it. (zero p - horrible things)
In the ongoing saga of Questionable Decisions Made By The TV Tropes Admins, the owner recently deleted the Naughty Tentacles page. Didn't lock it, didn't make it a "no examples please" page, just deleted it. Going to that link takes you to a page saying "WE DO NOT WANT A PAGE ON THIS TOPIC" in huge text.

Dude, I get why you might be skeeved out by this trope, and hey, so am I sometimes, but that doesn't change the fact that this trope exists. And in Japanese media, it is extremely common. And like any rape trope, it's used sometimes for fetish and titillation, sometimes for horror and drama, and sometimes for comedy and satire. Puni Puni Poemi, for example, included the trope as a way of viciously poking fun at people who enjoy tentacle porn. Berserk played it for maximum creepiness and tragedy. And PSG threw it in as part of a joke. It's not "all for creepy perverts, all the time." I know I can't be the only troper out there who's an anal completionist: what exactly am I supposed to do when I'm watching an anime and the naughty tentacles cliché shows up and I want to make note of it, either because I object to it or approve of it or am just intrigued by its presence, but I can't do that because there's no page for it? I guess I'll just catalogue such instances under the generic rape tropes, but that's still lacking in specificity.

Some light was shed on this decision when I found this thread started by the TV Tropes owner:

I came across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feFHnIhJtG4 , which is a well-deserved mockery of a page that makes all tropers look like pervs. Please, I'm begging you, if we have any more crap like this around wiki, please cut list it.

That is all it takes. Just put it on the Cut List.


Somebody linked to this and said:

Basically, purging the Wiki of content that makes the site look like it's full of creepers and perverts.

And somebody else replied:

Except that the wiki is full of creepers and perverts. Everybody has fetishes. Everybody. One person likes Naughty Tentacles, and one person likes crossdressing. Who gets to decide what is and isn't creepy, and where does the line get drawn?

Exactly. I approved of the site's decision to exile the Fetish Fuel trope to a separate wiki, especially since it's so endlessly subjective, and even their decision to lock some pages like Lolicon, because that one tends to inspire a lot of wank. But deleting a trope that is not subjective and shows up in tons of non-porn works in a variety of contexts just because "oh noes, people might cotton on to the fact that we're all a bunch of pervs," like what, are we in middle school suddenly? Is our ~reputation~ with a bunch of anonymous internet people that important?

Edit: What the—

They deleted Lolita.

They deleted the Lolita page and replaced it with that "WE DON'T WANT THIS PAGE" message.

They deleted the page for a widely acclaimed classic of literature that is all about how terrible pedophilia is.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

Apparently FastEddie (the owner) went through and purged everything that contained adult/child sexual content, regardless of how the work in question treated said content. Tsukiyomi Moon Phase (my bad, that one's still up), Fate/Stay Night (??? I didn't even know it had loli content in it), Boku No Pico, Kodomo No Jikan, the list goes on. And dude, I hate KnJ. I think it's utter trash. But I added stuff to the KnJ page on several occasions because I want people to know that it's trash. I want people to know that skeevy crap like that exists. If you just delete all the pages, stick your fingers in your ears, and go "la la la it doesn't exist" then you just allow shit like this to keep festering in obscurity.

And Lolita? LOLITA WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU ARRRRRRGH

Though I was amused to note that the Moetan page is still up. I guess because it has no actual sex, it's all just REALLY REALLY GROSS underage fanservice. So I guess showing a fictional person sticking his dick into a 10-year-old is bad, but aggressively sexualizing a 10-year-old so that the audience can luridly fantasize about sticking their dicks in said 10-year-old = totes okay. Or maybe the mods just didn't get to it yet. But wait, KnJ didn't have any actual sex in it either, unless you count the dry-humping scene WHICH I ABSOLUTELY DO but I doubt most people would. IDK.

(Anyone who points out that Moetan's heroine is actually 17 years old will be punched. I know you can't punch people through the internet, but I'll find a way.)

Edit 2: They also haven't nuked Loveless yet. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the double standard. /sarcasm (No j/k, I intend to read Loveless at some point because it looks awesome, but still. And BnP got nuked so maybe it's not the double standard.)

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