the_sun_is_up: Yahtzee's speech bubble has been censored by a black bar that has the text "horrible things" written on it. (zero p - horrible things)
I just discovered that another victim of the recent TV Tropes Pedo-n-Porn purge is one of my own creations: the main page on Hen, Hiroya Oku's legendarily bad "yuri" manga.

To which I say: Hey you inconsiderate fucknugget mods, I put a lot of time and effort and love into cataloguing all the hilariously mishandled tropes contained within that godawful masterpiece, and I do not appreciate you vaporizing all my hard work! I even did my best to keep my snarking as mild and deadpan as possible so as not to violate the site's Don't Criticize Anything Because We're All Delicate Flowers policy. I know that Hen is a) obscure and b) terrible so no one but me is going to mourn the page's deletion, but dammit some things are worth troping because they're complete crap!

Although I'm pretty sure I know exactly what triggered the page's deletion — it was the scene where SPOILER AND TRIGGER WARNING FOR BRAIN-BLEACH-NECESSITATING REVERSE-PEDO RAPE CREEPINESS where the heroine gets raped by an 11-year-old boy. Yeah, that happens. Though it's less "pedo fanservice" and more "the writer is tripping balls."

Luckily I also discovered that some kind soul rescued the page from oblivion and archived it. And by "some kind soul," I mean the apparently resurrected Encyclopedia Dramatica. Never thought I'd be feeling grateful towards ED of all people.
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In the ongoing saga of Questionable Decisions Made By The TV Tropes Admins, the owner recently deleted the Naughty Tentacles page. Didn't lock it, didn't make it a "no examples please" page, just deleted it. Going to that link takes you to a page saying "WE DO NOT WANT A PAGE ON THIS TOPIC" in huge text.

Dude, I get why you might be skeeved out by this trope, and hey, so am I sometimes, but that doesn't change the fact that this trope exists. And in Japanese media, it is extremely common. And like any rape trope, it's used sometimes for fetish and titillation, sometimes for horror and drama, and sometimes for comedy and satire. Puni Puni Poemi, for example, included the trope as a way of viciously poking fun at people who enjoy tentacle porn. Berserk played it for maximum creepiness and tragedy. And PSG threw it in as part of a joke. It's not "all for creepy perverts, all the time." I know I can't be the only troper out there who's an anal completionist: what exactly am I supposed to do when I'm watching an anime and the naughty tentacles cliché shows up and I want to make note of it, either because I object to it or approve of it or am just intrigued by its presence, but I can't do that because there's no page for it? I guess I'll just catalogue such instances under the generic rape tropes, but that's still lacking in specificity.

Some light was shed on this decision when I found this thread started by the TV Tropes owner:

I came across this: , which is a well-deserved mockery of a page that makes all tropers look like pervs. Please, I'm begging you, if we have any more crap like this around wiki, please cut list it.

That is all it takes. Just put it on the Cut List.

Somebody linked to this and said:

Basically, purging the Wiki of content that makes the site look like it's full of creepers and perverts.

And somebody else replied:

Except that the wiki is full of creepers and perverts. Everybody has fetishes. Everybody. One person likes Naughty Tentacles, and one person likes crossdressing. Who gets to decide what is and isn't creepy, and where does the line get drawn?

Exactly. I approved of the site's decision to exile the Fetish Fuel trope to a separate wiki, especially since it's so endlessly subjective, and even their decision to lock some pages like Lolicon, because that one tends to inspire a lot of wank. But deleting a trope that is not subjective and shows up in tons of non-porn works in a variety of contexts just because "oh noes, people might cotton on to the fact that we're all a bunch of pervs," like what, are we in middle school suddenly? Is our ~reputation~ with a bunch of anonymous internet people that important?

Edit: What the—

They deleted Lolita.

They deleted the Lolita page and replaced it with that "WE DON'T WANT THIS PAGE" message.

They deleted the page for a widely acclaimed classic of literature that is all about how terrible pedophilia is.


Apparently FastEddie (the owner) went through and purged everything that contained adult/child sexual content, regardless of how the work in question treated said content. Tsukiyomi Moon Phase (my bad, that one's still up), Fate/Stay Night (??? I didn't even know it had loli content in it), Boku No Pico, Kodomo No Jikan, the list goes on. And dude, I hate KnJ. I think it's utter trash. But I added stuff to the KnJ page on several occasions because I want people to know that it's trash. I want people to know that skeevy crap like that exists. If you just delete all the pages, stick your fingers in your ears, and go "la la la it doesn't exist" then you just allow shit like this to keep festering in obscurity.


Though I was amused to note that the Moetan page is still up. I guess because it has no actual sex, it's all just REALLY REALLY GROSS underage fanservice. So I guess showing a fictional person sticking his dick into a 10-year-old is bad, but aggressively sexualizing a 10-year-old so that the audience can luridly fantasize about sticking their dicks in said 10-year-old = totes okay. Or maybe the mods just didn't get to it yet. But wait, KnJ didn't have any actual sex in it either, unless you count the dry-humping scene WHICH I ABSOLUTELY DO but I doubt most people would. IDK.

(Anyone who points out that Moetan's heroine is actually 17 years old will be punched. I know you can't punch people through the internet, but I'll find a way.)

Edit 2: They also haven't nuked Loveless yet. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the double standard. /sarcasm (No j/k, I intend to read Loveless at some point because it looks awesome, but still. And BnP got nuked so maybe it's not the double standard.)
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So that last episode of MLP was pretty cringe-worthy, huh? Well compounding the cringe factor is the fandom itself, who are naturally lapping this shit up and trotting out every derailing tactic known to man when arguing with the people criticizing the ableism. Especially frustrating are the large number of actual disabled people who see nothing wrong with "Derpy's" portrayal and in fact think it's offensive that people are getting offended! People who say stuff like this:

I swear to god there is nothing that bothers me more then people who have NOTHING to do with the disabled community bitching about people being “ableist”.

Okay, I guess I was wrong, there's nothing problematic with "Derpy's" portrayal, and as an able-bodied person, I shouldn't be getting all offended over something I know nothing about.

But seriously, I don't what I, as an ally, am supposed to do with an argument like that. Only disabled people are allowed to get pissed off at ableist stuff? How the hell is that helpful to your cause? I'm always hearing people from minority groups (including myself!) complaining because the privileged majority can't be bothered to get off their asses and help fix things, but whenever an ally-type-person does get off their butt and try to help out, they inevitably get shouted down by a bunch of members of that minority group telling them to stop sticking their nose in other people's business.

So either I do nothing and feel like an apathetic jackass who's just enabling prejudice to continue unchecked, while hearing my disabled friends rightly bemoan the fact that nobody's supporting their cause, or I speak out against what I genuinely feel is gross ableist garbage and in turn get smacked down by a bunch of disabled people telling me I'm the offensive one for misidentifying what's ableist and what the hell would I know about what constitutes ableism anyway so shut up and sit down.

I mean, I'm an ally: I do only what you tell me to. I am here to serve you. But when you can't make up your damn minds about what it is I'm supposed to be doing, I get a little frustrated. And that applies to minority groups that I'm a member of as well: as a feminist, there's nothing more infuriating than having a bunch of women stand up and go "I don't see any problem at all with this obviously misogynistic thing, so you bitches need to just calm your tits! Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go drink some of this delicious Kool-Aid." *glug glug* And for the record, I would much rather have a bunch of dudes getting misguidedly het up over stuff that isn't actually offensive than a bunch of dudes who don't give a shit and won't lift a finger to help.

It's bullshit like this that just makes me want to leave the social justice community altogether because what the hell is the damn point anymore.

Edit: And lol @ people saying "It's just a kids' show, lighten up!" Imma just quote the Nostalgia Chick on this one: "It's just a car seat, who cares if the belt barely works? It's just for my children."

Yeah, unless you're cool with kids drinking water with lead in it, you should not be uttering the phrase "just a kids' show."


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